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June 30, 2009

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Drew Tatusko

The other significant statistics we cannot ignore are baptism rates, the behavior of parents for whom children model religious behavior, how we effectively support lifecycle changes with young adults who are expected to be adults without effective training from our religious institutions, and how to support the thousands of disenfranchised singles out there for whom there are not a lot of opportunities for church involvement.

While the theology is important, and a missional stance is, I think, the right way to go, these social problems are the ones we need to address since they are in large part outside of the spectrum of how we typically "do" church. Sociologists have written about these changes for nearly 20 years now. Yet we have not responded.

Chris

Note the use of personal pronouns in the Stated Clerk's statement:

"Why do *I* believe in God? Why do *I* go to church? Why do *I* go to that particular church?"

Interesting. I'd be curious to know that Stated Clerk's answer to those three questions.

Charlie Mac

These questions sound like the questions of someone who is a life-long church member and can't for the life of him figure out why people won't come to his church. They are indeed the wrong question. The correct question is also not about conformity either to an idea of what an "ideal" church member looks like nor to current cultural mores.

The qeustion is a question of discipleship. We have not only lost the meaning of the word, we don't remember how to make disciples. The real question is, "Why would God give us any of His children - his new born Christians - to raise?"

Chris in RVA

"What is needed is something that cannot be explained in human terms. What is needed is something that is so striking and so signal that it will arrest the attention of the whole world. That is revival.

Now we of ourselves can never do anything like that. We can do a great deal, and we should do all we can. We can preach the truth, we can defend it, we can indulge in our apologetics, we can organize our campaigns, we can try to present a great front to the world. But you know, it does not impress the world. It leaves the world where it was. The need is for something which will be so overwhelming, so divine, so unusual that it will arrest the attention of the world . . . .

'Authenticate thy word. Lord God, let it be known, let it be known beyond a doubt, that we are thy people. Shake us!' I do not ask him to shake the building, but I ask him to shake us. I ask him to do something that is so amazing, so astounding, so divine, that the whole world shall be compelled to look on and say, 'What is this?' as they said on the day of Pentecost."

Martyn Lloyd-Jones, Revival, pages 183-185.

HT: Christ is Deeper Still
christisdeeperstill.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-is-needed.html

Byron Wade

Definitely like your post and you hit some of the issues head on. I really resonate with you statement that it will take on our part authenticity, deep relationships and sacrificial action. Sometimes I think as Presbyterians and followers of Christ that we lack this in terms of sharing Christ with others both within and outside the community of faith. One of the major issues we need to resolve (quickly!) is the supposed luxury of being from doing. To me we have to get to the point that these have to be together to be an effective witness in today's world.

Thanks again for the post!

Drew Henderson

Two things strike me- congregations that do outreach without discipleship/invitation to the people they bless, and people who do personal evangelism apart from mercy ministries. Isn't it all mercy ministry?
Project based ministry exhausts people over time apart from fellowship, worship and the sacraments. The key weakness of the later social gospel was its lack of sacramental understanding. Works exhaust, yet grace renews and reminds us of our mutual need and comprehensive weakness. I fear our close attention to non-reformed teachers upsets our sacramental and covenantal foundations.

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